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The One and Only Vice Presidential Scuffle (aka Debate)

October 12, 2012 at 11:18 am / by

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The Vice Presidential debate was certainly a different tone than last week’s Romney/Obama debate.  It was interesting to see the “presidential backups” going after it, as they did at times.

The attitude of the evening was without a doubt set by Vice President Biden.

Biden’s facial expressions and interruptions were true to form of someone who greatly disrespects their opponent’s views.

Despite my degree is in Communication, It doesn’t take a communications specialist to see that Joe Biden has little respect for Paul Ryan as a politician and as a candidate.  When someone is speaking and the “listener” is laughing, rolling his eyes, shaking his head and interrupting, it is obvious that there is more than disagreement with policy.

Ryan was the more respectful of the two candidates, and he never flinched the numerous times Mr. Biden prefaced his answers with, “my friend”.

The two men certainly played ying to the others yang.

I love how Charles Krauthammer summed up his analysis: “If you read the transcript, Biden won.  If you heard it on radio, Biden won.  If you watched it on TV, Ryan won.”

Biden’s demeanor and facial expressions may be what most of us take away from this debate.

On substance, both candidates held their party lines and talking points. The evening began with discussing Libya and the consulate attacks.  Mr. Biden said the administration “will find who did it” and said they will “make clear what mistakes were made” and that it won’t happen again.  When Mr. Ryan’s turn came to answer the question, his first reaction was to give sympathy and mourn the loss of the Ambassador and others who lost their lives.  I really appreciated Representative Ryan pointing out that our diplomats in Paris have better security than those in Benghazi had the night of the attacks.

When asked if Mr. Romney should have waited on discussing President Obama’s weaknesses on the same day of the attack, Mr. Ryan gave a stellar answer: “It is never too early to defend our nation.”

Of course, Mr. Biden’s response to Mr. Ryan’s entire answer followed suit for his attitude during the debate saying it was “a bunch of malarkey,” going on to defend the President by saying he has “repaired our alliances so others will follow us again.”

It was shocking to hear the Vice President say they “weren’t told” more security was needed in Benghazi; with the current hearings on Capitol Hill, his answer certainly didn’t add up.

“We shouldn’t apologize for our values” was a statement that stood out by Representative Ryan.  He admitted there are actions that were unacceptable by our military, but for Ryan to stand up for values and publicly say “we don’t need to apologize for America’s values” definitely carries weight (and reminds us of the unnecessary “apology tours” taken at the beginning of the Obama administration).

Biden especially went on the attack when it came to questions regarding Iran.  Defending sanctions on Iran, Biden said they were the “most crippling sanctions in history.”  He tried to push Ryan with his question, “Do you want to go to war?” and went on to say, without sharing confidential information, “We feel quite confident we can deal a serious blow to the Iranians.”

Vice President Biden’s response about Israel–and whether Iran is as close to having a nuclear bomb as Benjamin Netanyahu said they are–was again condescending.  Biden seemed to be trying to convince everyone that Iran isn’t a threat.  “Iran doesn’t have a way to launch the weapon,” he said, adding that they “don’t have the material needed yet.”

“Facts matter” was one of Biden’s retorts to the Iran/Israel question.

When asked, “Which is worse: Iran having a nuclear bomb or war in the Middle East?” Ryan was quick to say “Iran having a bomb” and Biden said, “War should always be a last resort…This President doesn’t bluff”.

As with President Obama, in regard to the economy, Vice President Biden went back to the “great recession” when they took office.  The daggers flew on this topic, with Biden quickly reminding everyone that the Obama administration “immediately rescued GM” and then attacked Romney, claiming the governor “wanted Detroit to go bankrupt”.

“I’ve had it up to here of the 47%,” Biden said.  “They should say to the middle class, ‘we will level the playing field’”.  Biden was strong on this point, talking about how his parents were middle class and that “it’s about time these guys take responsibility.”  Ryan reminded the audience that he and Biden grew up in similar towns and asked Biden if he knew the current unemployment rate in Scranton, PA where Biden grew up.  Biden said he did, although his tone suggested that he probably didn’t.  Ryan followed by stating the unemployment rate is currently sitting at 10%, reminding people it was 8.5% when Obama took office.

A few times Biden went after Ryan saying he “voted to put wars on credit cards” with Ryan voters that Obama and Biden came into office “with one party control”.

Jabs went back and forth with little hesitation in this spirited debate but in my opinion the best line of the night came from Representative Ryan.

When talking about Biden’s famous gaffes, Ryan said, “I think the Vice President very well knows that sometimes the words don’t come out of your mouth the right way”.

Mostly, the debate was filled with Biden’s snickers and signs of disrespect toward Mr. Ryan (as well as toward the moderator).  When Mr. Biden wanted to talk to his Democratic base, he stared directly into the camera saying things like, “If you are a senior, do you have more benefits today?  You do.” “Now they have a new plan, folks trust your instinct” and “Their ideas are old and their ideas are bad.”

The night continued with more foreign policy debating and healthcare discussions with a childish exchange about Mr. Biden being “under duress” and Mr. Ryan “taking the entire four minutes to answer questions”.

Overall, I don’t think either candidate ran away with the debate; mostly it seemed like an exercise in taming tempers and managing manners.  But there was definitely a distinct difference between the two men with their comments:  Biden was very down to earth and straightforward with very little filter while Ryan appeared more controlled and thoughtful about his words.

Vice Presidential debates don’t hold large amounts of sway in determining the outcome of an election, but they are an opportunity to see which candidate might best take the reins, if that situation ever occurred.  In that sense it was obvious who was the more diplomatic possibility.  Biden would be great at a softball game, but Ryan seems a bit more controlled in a professional setting.

The two Vice Presidential candidates ended the evening answering a question about their personal character and what they can contribute.

In one word, Mr. Ryan replied, “Honesty”.   Vice President Biden said his record “stands for itself”.

Those answers, for me, summed up the night very well.

 

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Tina Drake

Arizona PolitiChick Tina Drake has been teaching and mentoring Junior High and High School students, in churches where she has been active, since her time as a college student, over twenty-five years ago. Tina believes politics and religion can, and should, be discussed together. She says she is a “lifelong follower of Christ and believer in the true significance of God's power in each and everyone's life” and she believes in the absolute need for God and Christ to be honored and included in the decisions made for our country. Tina continues to mentor students in this age group, along with her husband, multiple times each week. She believes that encouraging people, especially students, to see the need for a relationship with God and Jesus Christ in their everyday life, is an absolute need in her life. Tina volunteers weekly in her children's school, allowing her to witness how today's students are learning and developing in their social, educational, political and spiritual beliefs. Witnessing how students experience life, during the timeframe of Junior High through College, is immensely important to Tina. She believes this age group needs to be mentored, so they will have the tools with which to navigate today's societal pressures to live life without God, rather than with Him. Tina has also been a teacher to women in churches, teaching small groups, as well as speaking to large groups on a variety of spiritual topics. In addition to Spiritual Formation, Tina has been actively following and discussing the many facets of politics. Tina is a graduate of the University of Arizona, having earned a degree in Communication and a minor in Political Science. After college, she worked in the field of Advertising and Marketing, specializing in Media Buying and Planning, as well as directing entire Marketing and Sales departments. She has been a writer for PolitiChicks.com since 2012 and says she “enjoys the opportunity to encourage Americans to live out their faith in Jesus Christ, while they stand firm on the principles set forth by our forefathers in their political beliefs”.

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7 Comments

  1. Lainie Sloane says:

    Thanks, Tina, for your review of last night’s V.P. debate! Biden interrupted Ryan 82 times; Raddatz interrupted Ryan 31 times. Biden was mean-spirited and demeaning. Thank you, Mr. Vice President. You did us a huge favor!

  2. Laughing Big Mouth Biden is a obnoxious jerk with no respect for his so called friend

  3. Joyce says:

    Mr. Biden laughed through out all this debate. He was lying. When a person lies they should not laugh, he should take lessons from Mr. Obama.

  4. Irma says:

    It would be nice to see an RNC ad with the background depicting the burning and mayhem going on in Libya (or any other depiction of serious concern that Joe laughed at when Ryan was talking) and showing Biden laughing with the caption: “Message to Joe: the challenges our nation face is no laughing matter.”

  5. 1gentready says:

    This was only a one sided debate while one side laughed and continued to lose his mind “Joe Biden” while the other Paul Ryon side tried to debate with constant interruption from the Wacky side “Joe Biden” and this side should never be allowed to come close to be a President. “Joe Biden” should be placed in a coat that ties behind him so he can’t hurt our children by making decisions that puts the health and security of our children in jeopardy.

  6. cookiegirl says:

    Great article!

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